Sony's Smash Bros Clone?

[melatonin]

http://gamerant.com/sony-super-smash-bros-clone-announcement-curt-113571/

 

Might be cool.

[Ephraim]

[Oh Malley]

They've also got their own "Just Dance" game coming out too. Seems like Sony can't come up with an original idea. Honestly, I'd just be happy to see a good Sony exclusive game that doesn't take me 1 to 3 hours to install/update to play it the first time. *crossesfingershopingthatTwistedMetaldoesn'tcometothat*

[MasterP]

So first they copied the wii and now they're copying it's games.

 

Now I won't feel so bad about buying the next Nintendo console, the game concepts for it will apparently be 4 years ahead of Sony.

[Bloodedge]

They've also got their own "Just Dance" game coming out too. Seems like Sony can't come up with an original idea. Honestly, I'd just be happy to see a good Sony exclusive game that doesn't take me 1 to 3 hours to install/update to play it the first time. *crossesfingershopingthatTwistedMetaldoesn'tcometothat*

 

Oh I dont know, how about:

 

-Uncharted:Drakes Fortune

-Uncharted: Among Theives

-LittleBigPlanet

-Infamous

-Dead Nation

-God of War 3

- Any "Collection" games

- Valkyria Chronicles

- Demons Souls

- Resistance: Fall of Man

- Resistance 2

 

Yea, i think you get the point lol. Good games with little to no install time. I can list more if you'd like.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Bloodedge

[Bloodedge]

So first they copied the wii and now they're copying it's games.

 

Now I won't feel so bad about buying the next Nintendo console, the game concepts for it will apparently be 4 years ahead of Sony.

 

Mitch, Nintendo isnt even sure what they want to do anymore with the WiiU. It has garnered such negative responses from conventions such as E3 that they have pretty much gone back to the drawing board. I mean hell, I would to if I had a system with a controller that was going to cost its fan base over $100, thats insane. And do show or tell about these concepts you mention b/c I havent seen anything new about the WiiU in quite some time. Last I saw of it, there were wispers of a Smash game being made for it, thats it.

[Bloodedge]

But yes, this definitely sounds like a Smash clone. Could be fun though, but we shall see.

[MasterP]

Mitch, Nintendo isnt even sure what they want to do anymore with the WiiU. It has garnered such negative responses from conventions such as E3 that they have pretty much gone back to the drawing board. I mean hell, I would to if I had a system with a controller that was going to cost its fan base over $100, thats insane.

Not according to recent press releases and interviews. Apparently they're right on track with where they said they'd be with the final version scheduled to be shown at E3 2012 and a release a few months after that. Game developers interviewed in September noted that they were developing games that took advantage of the controller displayed at E3 2011.

 

And do show or tell about these concepts you mention b/c I havent seen anything new about the WiiU in quite some time. Last I saw of it, there were wispers of a Smash game being made for it, thats it.

At E3 2011 the new SSB game was confirmed. Also, Sony has recently announced that the Vita will interact with the PS3 in almost an identical manner as the Wii U controller. Sony has also cut spending on the PS4's development so it's likely that they're planning for the PS3/Vita to directly compete with the Wii U.

 

So Sony has their competition gameplan set, the puzzling thing is that Microsoft does not. They haven't made any moves and are no closer to releasing the next XBOX than they were before the announcement of the Wii U. I guess they're waiting and hoping that the specs announced aren't entirely truthful. If they are the 360 is going to be in serious trouble.

[Ephraim]

I've heard from a couple engineering students that game-related technology has reached a standstill, and that the improvement between this generation's consoles and the next will be relatively minor. If this is true, it could explain why all the game companies are dragging their feet to announce the new consoles.

[Bloodedge]

Mitch, Nintendo isnt even sure what they want to do anymore with the WiiU. It has garnered such negative responses from conventions such as E3 that they have pretty much gone back to the drawing board. I mean hell, I would to if I had a system with a controller that was going to cost its fan base over $100, thats insane.

Not according to recent press releases and interviews. Apparently they're right on track with where they said they'd be with the final version scheduled to be shown at E3 2012 and a release a few months after that. Game developers interviewed in September noted that they were developing games that took advantage of the controller displayed at E3 2011.

 

And do show or tell about these concepts you mention b/c I havent seen anything new about the WiiU in quite some time. Last I saw of it, there were wispers of a Smash game being made for it, thats it.

At E3 2011 the new SSB game was confirmed. Also, Sony has recently announced that the Vita will interact with the PS3 in almost an identical manner as the Wii U controller. Sony has also cut spending on the PS4's development so it's likely that they're planning for the PS3/Vita to directly compete with the Wii U.

 

Interesting. I must look into this at some point. From what I heard about the new Smash game, its getting completely re hauled. From what I was told, it was going to be like a fighting game-rpg hybrid where you can level up your character. That may be old news though, im not sure.

[Bloodedge]

I've heard from a couple engineering students that game-related technology has reached a standstill, and that the improvement between this generation's consoles and the next will be relatively minor. If this is true, it could explain why all the game companies are dragging their feet to announce the new consoles.

 

Ive actually heard this from several people concerning computing in general. It actually kind of makes me happy considering the fact that this means we will more than likely be getting a longer console life out of our consoles.

[MasterP]

In terms of general computing it's not true at all. Intel has designed their architecture so that even though they aren't getting MHz faster they're still getting a 10-20% overall performance increase every generation. It was looking to be true but Intel has developed a brand new type of transistor that makes it possible to shrink CPUs much smaller than they could have otherwise with traditional transititors. It's actually incredibly cool watching how these guys deal with problems that occur when they try to shrink things to sizes they were never intended to go. When you get to the scale we're at now nature itself tries to interfere, for example quantum tunneling, and it's fun watching these guys develop new things to overcome it.

 

Now in terms of consoles, yeah there's some truth to it. The problem is that they all use garbage IBM processors in consoles and IBM's performance increases lately have been pretty stagnant when compared to Intel. They placed a lot of stock in the Cell processor and it just didn't pan out like they thought it would. Now compared to the XBOX360, the Wii U's CPU will be much faster but compared to the PS3 it will only be 15-20% faster. Actually, compared the 360 the Wii U could be up to twice as fast as they're using the same server CPU that was used to power Watson. This is still significant in terms of games capability but it's not enough to warrant building a whole new console to compete against, at least not for Sony. Considering that most high-end titles are actually playing at 720p on the PS3 and some lower weird scale on the 360 it's likely that they'll just be played at full 1080p on the Wii U since that would require no major change to the overall game. This sucks for Wii U owners as their games could be much better and will be held back by the previous generation but that's been happening to the PS3 for a number of years now and is not a tactic that is going away anytime soon.

[Bloodedge]

so what are the actual spec for the WiiU?

[Lemm]

I wonder if any of the next gen consoles will try to incorporate 4K resolutions. It's coming eventually- maybe closer to 10 years from now. We probably need a mega-blu-ultra-ray disc to hold the games though.

[Oh Malley]

They've also got their own "Just Dance" game coming out too. Seems like Sony can't come up with an original idea. Honestly, I'd just be happy to see a good Sony exclusive game that doesn't take me 1 to 3 hours to install/update to play it the first time. *crossesfingershopingthatTwistedMetaldoesn'tcometothat*

 

Oh I dont know, how about:

 

-Uncharted:Drakes Fortune

-Uncharted: Among Theives

-LittleBigPlanet

-Infamous

-Dead Nation

-God of War 3

- Any "Collection" games

- Valkyria Chronicles

- Demons Souls

- Resistance: Fall of Man

- Resistance 2

 

Yea, i think you get the point lol. Good games with little to no install time. I can list more if you'd like.

 

LBP 1&2, Demon Souls, and Infamous I'll agree with you. Everything else is ok on my list. I'll maybe even put Uncharted on my good games list, but only the first two apply to the lack of install/update time. The third one falls victim to this trend. Every game that has come out in the past year; however, has required a ridiculously long update/install time.

 

And by the way.. Dead Nation is a cheap arcade game that they gave away for free and the Collection games are just HD updates to previous games. Stuff that they released on PS 2 discs without need of installs or updates in the first place.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Oh Malley

[Lemm]

meh I like my ps3- and the games - and the blu-ray player

[MasterP]

so what are the actual spec for the WiiU?

http://en.wikipedia..../Wii_U#Hardware

 

Worth noting is that the CPU family being used has 4 to 8 cores and executes 4 threads per core and is clocked at 2.4GHz to 4.25GHz. This is compared to the 360's 3 core processor with 2 threads per core clocked at 3.2GHz. Also worth noting is that the 360's CPU is limit to in-order execution while the Wii U's CPU will support agressive out-of-order execution. Ignoring everything else, the performance difference in execution ordering alone will be staggering.

 

It's also been noted that the Wii U has more RAM than both the 360 and PS3. On a console that doesn't matter as much as PCs but it's nice to see the next gen will be trending in that direction.

[newrayz]

So what kind of pricetag are we talking about? Too early to speculate? With those numbers, the fact that it's the next gen, and from what people are saying about the controller (costing 100+ bucks), is this *edited*er going to be like 700-800 dollars?

Edited November 3, 2011 by newrayz

[Oh Malley]

I'd probably suspect a $500-$600 system. Something akin to the PS3's original price tag. Everybody's obsessing over the price of the controller even though only 1 will work with the system (unless some press release / announcement came out). It's more than a controller. It's a tablet with the size of that screen built in. Luckily, it is fully compatible with all Wii accessories and games.

[Lemm]

It's also been noted that the Wii U has more RAM than both the 360 and PS3. On a console that doesn't matter as much as PCs but it's nice to see the next gen will be trending in that direction.

 

Maybe this console will actually have a decent web browser...

[MasterP]

I'd probably suspect a $500-$600 system.

That's the general consensus right now. Nintendo chose to use a CPU and GPU that isn't bleeding edge so that will help with the price considerably.

[Ephraim]

One of the big reasons I'm giving Nintendo the benefit of a doubt on the Wii U is because a bunch of people are saying "What ere they thinking." That is the same reaction I heard from most critics when the Wii-mote was introduced and that turned out spectacularly.

[MasterP]

No one thought motion interactions was going to work and most wrote the Wii off as little more than a short-term fad. Now both of its competitors have copied the concept. Nintendo will know if the overly expensive screen controller is going to work well before the Wii U is released, all they have to do is see how well it works out for Sony.

 

Dumb move on Sony's part. Copying a concept is generally acceptable but copying and then rushing to beat the originator of the concept to the market is just dumb. Nintendo will now have over six months to study any failures on Sony's part and learn from their mistakes. They should have waited and learned from Nintendo's mistakes, that's why the Move is so much better than the Wiimote.

[Lemm]

What are you talking about? Are you saying sony is creating a tablet controller too? I haven't heard that.

[Oh Malley]

The new portable handheld, the PS VIta, doesn't look too different from the Wii U controller. Maybe that's what he's referring to?